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LIE DOWN WITH STRIPPERS, WAKE UP WITH PLEAS - Yahoo! News

LIE DOWN WITH STRIPPERS, WAKE UP WITH PLEAS - Yahoo! News

However the Duke lacrosse rape case turns out, one lesson that absolutely will not be learned is this: You can severely reduce your chances of having a false accusation of rape leveled against you if you don't hire strange women to come to your house and take their clothes off for money. Also, you can severely reduce your chances of being raped if you do not go to strange men's houses and take your clothes off for money. (Does anyone else detect a common thread here?) And if you are a girl in Aruba or New York City, among the best ways to avoid being the victim of a horrible crime is to not get drunk in public or go off in a car with men you just met. While we're on the subject of things every 5-year-old should know, I also recommend against dousing yourself in gasoline and striking a match.
It starts good and it gets better. Courtesy of Ann Coulter.

Posted April 21, 2006 by Christopher Gillespie 
Apr 21, 2006
Sue B. said...
Sadly, the people who need this message most won't A.) Get it, or
B.) Stop to think about the consequence of their actions to begin with. Sigh.
Apr 21, 2006
Christopher Gillespie said...
More sad is the common attitude among parents "they won't listen to me anyway so Let them learn the hard way."

I'll never forget the son of my Junior year English teacher. She had this laissez-faire attitude to her son. No wonder he was arrested from DUI and pot possession on numerous occasions. He was an intellectually smart kid yet behaved poorly. She said it was part of being a kid. I said in not so many words in a paper for her class that it was a matter of being a kid with neglecting parents.

Ouch.

Apr 22, 2006
Sue B. said...
I think it goes way beyond parental guidance, even; although parental guidance is of tantamount importance. I think we, as a society, have moved away from owning responsibility for our actions. We have this "don't worry; be happy" idea that equates thinking about consequences with feeling bad. The whole concept of sin has become unpopular for that very reason. If thinking about our actions leads to shame, well then, not thinking obviously negates the whole problem. What could be simpler?
Apr 28, 2006
Jason Evans Groth said...
Despite these things being common sense, let's not deny that A) something like 15-20% of rapes are ever reported because the women who are victims are so embarrassed, B) white men have been getting away with rape in the U.S. since white men committed the genocide associated with arriving here, C) men in general have been getting away with rape since before the flood, D) sometimes people are in positions where they feel they need to take their clothes off for money, where they feel they need to go riding, drunk, in cars with strange men, etc... and as bad as the consequences might be they will have to deal with them and they will learn from them, and they should not be judged harshly, but fairly.

Perhaps if more money were spent on education some of these common sense items that aren't covered at home could be covered at school.

Ann Coulter is one of the most sickening people in the world at the moment. Just my $.02.

Apr 28, 2006
Sue B. said...
I agree with Jason. Rape is never something a woman "deserves". I certainly do not think Natalee Holloway deserved what happened to her.
Apr 28, 2006
Christopher Gillespie said...
I suppose "getting away with" is a relative statement. Maybe in this life, yes... but in the next I'm not so sure.

"sometimes people are in positions where they feel they need to take their clothes off for money, where they feel they need to go riding, drunk, in cars with strange men, etc… and as bad as the consequences might be they will have to deal with them and they will learn from them, and they should not be judged harshly, but fairly."

Perhaps. Yet the popular opinion is that those activities (or less dramatic ones such as teenage sex) are natural parts of our development into adults. I am inclined to suggest that Coulter's polemic is overly dramatic yet her point is worth making. Placing oneself in a dangerous situation whether it be illicit drug use, excessive drinking, excessive speed when driving, or holding company who are questionable all will have consequences.

The language of "fair" or "deserves" is a bit strong, yes.

I'm not in favor of more socialized education. As a product of the meat grinder, I can't see how such a system could provide common sense education better than parents. It seems such a fix is more of a band-aid.

Rape certainly is not fair. As you said, life has not been fair since before the flood (or more appropriately since the fall of Adam.) I don't think we should let people off too easy. We all are as responsible (and perhaps capable) of the horrors Coulter mentions. Common sense goes a long way towards helping but is not the solution.

I take comfort that the role of judge is not mine but God's. I turn the other cheek and forgive. All the time? Nope, I have a hard time with it. And I have never been challenged with as dramatic acts as mentioned. Yet, its not my place for judgment.

God did give us civil authorities to incur His judgment on this earth thankfully. I wish men didn't get away with the horrors Jason listed. It is our resposibility to hold them accountable to the judgers God has given (and hold the judges accountable to reasonable penalty.)

Whew. This might have to be discussed at length sometime.